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標題: BNO已被歐洲25個國家認為EU/EEA Citizen,英、法、愛爾蘭國除外 [打印本頁]

作者: 前香港人    時間: 4-10-2009 14:44     標題: BNO已被歐洲25個國家認為EU/EEA Citizen,英、法、愛爾蘭國除外

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 20-4-2010 00:36 編輯

BNO被德國丹麥瑞典冰島挪威芬蘭荷蘭承認為EU/EEA Citizen的題目需要更正為「BNO已被歐洲25個國家認為EU/EEA Citizen,英、法、愛爾蘭除外」

BNO已被德國
丹麥、瑞典、冰島、挪威、芬蘭、荷蘭承認EU/EEA Citizen,多條生路 (不斷更新)

再要更正....
EU/ EEA 成員國都承認BNO Passport 因他們都詳細知道個別不同類別之英國Passport 但無分 BC , BNO, BTDC, BS, BPP, BN Passport 咁等居...

繼冰島及挪威兩個 EEA 成員國之後,第三個國家正式承認 BNO 的歐盟公民身份,今次的國家是 IKEA 及諾貝爾獎項的原產地--瑞典!而最重要的,瑞典乃正式的歐盟成員國,其表態比前二者更加重要。

再....再..............要更正....在網友成功例子下..更發現德國丹麥、芬蘭、荷蘭也一樣。還有更重要一點是.. BNO 也可與當地人一樣享受大學、中小學免費教育在找到工作後去police登記,去immigration填EU citizen 表格 endorsed by employer + 醫療保險單,申請當地居民身份證拿著當地居民身份證,往返歐州無需蓋印入境。4~5年後可申請當地申請成為永久居民入籍拿多本Passport。但初來者要自行買醫療保險。

也有BNO網友在德國二天內取得
地居民身份證居留工作,自由往返歐州。在進入英國時行EU通道。(補充資料...有英國網友及一中環網友人肉報告法英愛三地BNO都失靈,但有網友用BNO取得歐洲居民身份証後乘EuroStar過英法關不用看Passport)

申請瑞典、芬蘭 ID Card 之方法 (Link) 已列在 本貼第19頁
冰島在 本貼第74頁
http://www.migrationsverket.se/english.jsp

下列為申請表
作者: 前香港人    時間: 4-10-2009 14:44     標題: Sweden recongise BNO holder is EU Citizen

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 29-11-2009 17:58 編輯

Abstrated from MO's Note Book (Blog)

節錄問題:
I am a British National with the status of British National (Overseas). I am graduating this year with a Bachelor degree from an USA university. I would like to know if I can come to Sweden to look for a job after my graduation as an EEA citizen?

節錄答案:
An EU/EEA citizen who is an employee, self employed person, student or who has sufficient funds to support himself or herself has a right to reside in Sweden. The term right to reside means that an EU/EEA citizen and his or her family members are permitted to stay in Sweden without a residence permit. A person who has a right of residence need however to register with the Migration Board no later than three months after entering the country.

If you are lokking for job and are register at the national job agency (www.ams.se) you are, as an EU-citizen, allowed to stay up to 6 months to look for work.

The Public Contact Section
The Swedish Migration Board
作者: 前香港人    時間: 4-10-2009 14:44

港英論壇上,有幾位長居於外國的香港人(不少已移民人士),他們都持有第三國的護照,例如加拿大,可是卻對法理道德有堅持,因此極力爭取 BNO 所應有,而卻被無理奪去的權利。今次就有一位居於外國的人士,去信瑞典政府查詢有關 BNO 的居留立場,最終得到了一個「開心大發現」--BNO 等同歐盟公民。


這場改變的源頭,就在上年年尾歐盟所簽署的里斯本條約,條約列明擁有成員國 nationality 的人士,會擁有一種全新創造,和本國公民權無關的權利--歐洲公民權;因此即使 BNO 人士沒有「居英權」,亦可因為條約的簽訂,突然擁有全新的「居歐權」--由於英國屬於歐洲的一部份,BNO 持有人因為「居歐權」,而間接得到了「居英權」。

條約內文公開之後,已經有多位留意歐洲新聞,或研究歐盟法律條文的朋友,對此提出了質疑,因為條約極度細密,甚至為英國保留了「轄免部份地區」的空間;可是在那份 Article 299 的詳細「轄免地區」之中,卻找不到香港,最初大家都以為,這是寫漏了;可是以法律嚴謹見稱的英國,難道真的會犯上一個這樣愚蠢的錯誤嗎?

隨著越來越多的真人測試,在歐洲持 BNO 的待遇與以前完全不同:以往持 BNO 入境英國要填 Landing card,排非 EU 隊伍;二月一日起入境英國排「非歐盟」隊,會被有關人員趕走,叫你去排 EU 隊,甚至當面把你已經填寫好的 Landing card 撕毀,不再在 BNO 上蓋章等等,這些希奇古怪的現象,早在幾個前已開始在歐洲發生;先是奧地利突然在航空公司的資料頁之中,把 BNO 的入境居留條件改和 BC 相同,再在歐洲各地發生大量的免蓋印,要求入境排歐盟隊的事件,種種現象都令人懷疑,這些事件背後只是反映著政策的改變,而不是單純的錯誤。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 4-10-2009 14:45

英國人為何「大發善心」?要知道政策的改變,其實和當地的政治有直接的關係;英國在戰後有大量殖民地及前殖民地的居民湧入,最初是極歡迎的,因為殖民地軍團在兩次大戰都為英國作出了大量的貢獻;然而六十年代起,經濟環境衰退及失業率,令英政府改變國藉權利,以圖減少人口增長。由於香港談判期間,英國長期由最保守的保守黨勢力領導,莫講說給香港人移民,單是和歐洲增加整合,都被這些「疑歐派」大力的反對;一條英法隧道,談了百多年都因為「疑歐」、「恐歐」的軍事經濟原因,遭到全力的反對而失敗告終;到九十年代終於通車了,可知道這條「隧道」,居然只行鐵路--汽車不准行走,要由火車運送過隧道!這樣的 infrastructure,令到英國和歐洲的整合遇到極大的阻力!由瑞典開車經波羅的海去丹麥,再經過幾條橋去德國,全程都直行無阻;反之單是英國去法國才三十七點幾公里的隧道(只計海底部份),車輛居然也只能由火車運送,這樣的保守主義,簡直豈有此理!相約長度的港珠澳大橋,如果用這樣的方式運作,保證蝕大本。

香港錯過了貝理雅的新工黨改革浪潮,由上議院大舉廢除舊有貴族,引入根據下議院民選議席的比例化表,再大舉改革法律黑洞,98 年援引《歐洲人權公約》(ECHR),建立英國的《人權法》,這十一年的改革,令英國成功擺脫疑歐派的干預,往歐洲整合進了一大步;貝理雅治下的英國,經濟欣欣向榮,比起那個要收人頭稅的戴卓爾夫人時代,相距何止千里?加上歐盟東進,當東歐各國都加舉加入歐盟時,包括當年說要學香港的東歐工業龍頭捷克,成為歐盟成員之後,人口都可以在歐洲各國自由居留自由工作,比起東歐大量連英文都不識的平價勞動大軍,富裕的香港人又有甚麼可怕呢?

有些中國式陰謀論思想,質疑英國人為何如此好心云云,就有如慈禧太后望著那個西洋照相機,害怕會勾去靈魂一樣無知可笑;英國人當然不是大發善心,他們只是沒有選擇--英政府為了保護憲政,所作出的努力是慣於亂釋法的中國人所無法想像的;單就三權分立的問題,單就歐洲憲法與英國憲法的問題,政府一直都被迫綁手綁腳,就以 ECHR 為例,英政府為保留其「國會無上論」的權力,被迫不斷修改法律,去遷就歐洲人權法庭的判決。由於歐洲人權法庭完全不受英國控制,英國只得兩個選擇--退出歐盟或者接受現實,因此 BNO 問題所引發的情況,亦完全一樣,只是香港人一直傻呼呼的蒙在鼓裏,一直不知道如何保護自己所擁有的權利而已。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 4-10-2009 14:45

BNO 的問題上,英政府有幾大漏洞,根本無法完全堵塞。第一個「法理黑洞」,就是曼島、直布羅陀等歷史殘餘物的問題,令歐洲其他國家,特別是仍擁有皇室的國家,必定要尊重這些歷史條約的約束;而西班牙想收回直布羅陀主權的問題,則是英、西兩國難以解開的死結,令同樣因條約割讓的香港問題複雜化。由於歐洲整合而要簽署《里斯本條約》,確立新的歐洲憲法去加強整合,如果非歐盟、非英國領土、非英國國藉的曼島八萬居民,可以擁有歐盟公民身份,作為前英國皇室領土,擁有英國國藉(雖然只是沒有本土居留權的次等「海外」國藉)的 BNO 持有人,怎可能不給予歐盟公民身份呢?反過來就可以給人家藉口,拒絕承認曼島人的權力,那麼以英女皇為元首的曼島,位於愛爾蘭與威爾斯中間的一個小島,怎麼辦?(註:詳見歐洲與人權一文)

反過來,如果硬要拒絕承認香港的前英國領土地位,西班牙立即可以用這一點,去質疑用類似條約得回來的直布羅陀地位;由於香港未經公投,就由英國轉交中國,那府直布羅陀是否可以也不理會其公民的意願,直接由英國交回給西班牙?

反過來,今時今日如果英國的議會取消 BNO 護照,或把 BNO 的定義降級,則必定被港人告上歐洲人權法庭而輸到甩褲--今時不同往日,英政府想偷雞亂來,是沒有可能的,因為事實英國已被歐盟綁在一起,不守法的唯一方式,就是脫離歐盟。

第二個法律黑洞,就是 BNO 本身的法律地位很奇怪,在護照上偏偏和其他「無居英權」護照不同,由於護照上沒有明文寫出 BNO 要受入境條例的限制,單就這件事打上英國的法院,都可能足以令政府敗訴。

第三個法律黑洞,就是《歐洲人權公約》Protocol 4 的約束;Protocol 4 確立成員國必須讓其國民自由居留的權利;英國目前的角色極度奇怪,既是簽約的成員國,可是卻仍未實施有關的法例,而由於這條條文已得到了歐洲絕大多數國家的執行,包括葡萄牙也給了澳門持葡國護照人士的「居葡權」、擁有完整的歐洲國藉身份,英國奇怪的角色令自己在歐洲的人權討論上飽受攻擊,因此遲或早,英國都必定要解決這個問題。

第四個法律黑洞,也是《歐洲人權公約》的 Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination--明文禁止性別、種族、膚色、宗教等的歧視;英政府對曼島、直布羅陀及香港上的不同待遇,在客觀事實及法律面前根本無法說得通。有關歧視的條文,2006 ECHR 加入強大的 Protocol 12,保障公民任何法律上免歧視的權利;雖然目前英政府因 Protocol 12 過份強力而拒絕簽署,但已表示原則上同意應在 ECHR 加入明確的反歧視條文。

雖然在未有 Protocol 12 的 Article 14 原文,規定其應用只能在其他 Articles 上,可是由於 BNO 理論上沒有居英權及居歐權,把這些英藉港人「棄置」在香港,一旦有人就香港所沒有,卻在 ECHR 擁有的人權問題--例如那府工會、言論、結社、生活自由等問題提出挑戰,亦足以構成強力的挑戰,令問題變得無解。

就此問題,英國國內亦有回應;目前英國正在研究簡化國藉法,特別提到要滿足 ECHR Protocol 4 的要求,傳聞今次白高敦訪華,亦專誠談到 BNO 擁有居歐權方向問題,這一切的現象,最終會出現甚麼情況呢?瑞典回應之後,丹麥、芬蘭等國家會採取甚麼態度,會否無可避免地,令歐洲各國紛紛表態呢?且看事態發展吧。

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歐洲與人權
張貼者: 林忌 位於 3:40 上午   
標籤: 法律問題, 閱讀:所有文章
http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2008/02/bno.html
作者: mangorich    時間: 6-10-2009 00:18

多謝分享!多謝分享!多謝分享!
作者: 前香港人    時間: 6-10-2009 01:19

愛爾蘭周末公投通過《里斯本條約》,掃除歐洲加速一體化的重大障礙。歐盟27個成員國現時只有捷克及波蘭未確認條約,

捷克總統﹕短期內不簽條約。波蘭總統會很快批准條約,

現在的關鍵是捷克。為此,他已經邀請捷克總理菲舍爾和歐盟委員會主席巴羅佐本月7日在布魯塞爾舉行會晤商討如何採取行動的問題。此外,他還派遣瑞典歐盟事務大臣瑪爾姆斯特倫本月8日前往布拉格,與捷克政府討論批准條約的問題。
作者: bigpotato    時間: 6-10-2009 01:56

本帖最後由 bigpotato 於 6-10-2009 02:02 編輯

根據今天出爐的聯合國數據,世界最令人嚮往居住的國家再度由挪威拿下。這份數據同時列出飽受戰爭和愛滋病所苦的非洲撒哈拉以南國家為最不吸引人的地方。這份在全球經濟危機爆發前取得的數據顯示,住在挪威、澳洲和冰島的人,擁有最好的生活品質;尼日、阿富汗及獅子山共和國則在發展上,最後三名。
聯合國開發組織(UNDP)的這份指數,是由2007年每人國內生產毛額、教育和平均壽命數據彙編而成,用以顯示已開發國家和開發中國家的差異。
根據指數,尼日人的平均壽命是50歲,比挪威人少了30歲。尼日人每賺1美元,挪威人賺85美元。      
   前香港人兄,考慮吓移民挪威啦,雖然福利冇瑞典咁好,但大陸佬喺呢度搞唔到你,可安心過活,不妨諗諗。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 7-10-2009 06:56

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 7-10-2009 06:58 編輯
根據今天出爐的聯合國數據,世界最令人嚮往居住的國家再度由挪威拿下。這份數據同時列出飽受戰爭和愛滋病所苦的非洲撒哈拉以南國家為最不吸引人的地方。這份在全球經濟危機爆發前取得的數據顯示,住在挪威、澳洲和冰 ...

  前香港人兄,考慮吓移民挪威啦,雖然福利冇瑞典咁好,但大陸佬喺呢度搞唔到你,可安心過活,不妨諗諗。
bigpotato 發表於 6-10-2009 01:56
謝 Bigpotato兄指點
可惜 Norway 講 德文語系挪威話
作者: bigpotato    時間: 7-10-2009 07:09

冇問題喎,識英文一樣穿州過省,就算又聾又啞都唔會寸步難行。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 7-10-2009 07:18

謝 Bigpotato兄指點

因全部專業都是英語.....子女語言要由零開始過...

兄住在 Norway 嗎

是否正用 BNO 居住?
作者: minibus    時間: 7-10-2009 07:42

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作者: bigpotato    時間: 7-10-2009 07:43

年輕人適應力強,問題不大,很多移民都是從零開始,首要係就業,小弟離鄉時,香港尚未淪陷,BNO還未出世,過新生需換環境,鍾祖康活得多開心。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 7-10-2009 08:18

Big potato

Who is 鍾祖康 ??
作者: tamama868    時間: 7-10-2009 08:33

一齊去歐洲溝鬼妹,食腸仔飲啤酒啦...哈哈
作者: LW    時間: 7-10-2009 13:00

Not really man

Alot of countries  are non english speaking
minibus 發表於 7-10-2009 07:42
Many citizens of Europe know how to speak English, in many cases, better than former-British-colony-Hong Kong citizens.

Otherwise, unless you know the languages of the countries you are visiting (Español, Polski, Français, Italiano, Deutsch etc), you better know how to communicate in English.

作者: 前香港人    時間: 7-10-2009 18:49

Many citizens of Europe know how to speak English, in many cases, better than former-British-colony-Hong Kong citizens.

Otherwise, unless you know the languages of the countries you are visiting (E ...
LW 發表於 7-10-2009 13:00
Dear Brother LW

Although many citizens in Europe know how to speak English and I can communicate in English with  no problem, what I concern  about is the offical language in daily business. Whether European  will write and read English report in daily business or engineering operation  is really a question mark.

I am so old now and I would be quite difficult to return to apprenticeship level.

Thank you for your support.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 7-10-2009 20:08     標題: Brothers and Sisters

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 7-10-2009 20:11 編輯

See my important search for how BNO holders can obtain EU Citizenship and migrantion to Finland

http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/ ... 24101&extra=&page=4

Thanks God! You have listerned my pray
作者: 前香港人    時間: 8-10-2009 04:40

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 21:35 編輯

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Further information on employment and entrepreneurship in Finland

Frequently asked questions: employment

An alien who intends to take up paid employment in Finland usually needs a residence permit for an employed person. A person engaged in an independent business or profession in Finland must have a residence permit for a self-employed person.

However, there are many exceptions to this rule. For example, citizens of European Union (EU) Member States and equivalent persons do not need a residence permit for an employed person or for a self-employed person.

Member States of the European Union
In addition to Finland, the Member States of the European Union (EU) are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

Similar provisions on the right of movement that apply to citizens of EU Member States also apply to citizens of Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland.

Webservice "Migrating to Finland?"
The service helps you evaluate whether you require a visa or a residence permit to Finland and what the requirements are.

www.migri.fi/migratingtofinland

Customer bulletins
Applications for a residence permit for an employed person may not be rushed during the summer  (9.6.2009)

Further information
Flowchart: residence permit for an employed person and a self-employed person
作者: 前香港人    時間: 8-10-2009 04:46     標題: BNO holders is EU citizens

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 8-10-2009 04:47 編輯

Frequently asked questions: EU citizens
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=3444

Read more: frequently asked questions about residence permits in general

1. As an EU citizen, how do I enter Finland permanently and what kind of a permit will I need?

Decisions on registering Union citizens are made by the local police of the municipality of residence. You should request further instructions on the registration of your right of residence from the police.

As a Union citizen, you are free to enter Finland without a visa and reside in Finland for a maximum period of three months without registering your right of residence. In order to enter the country and reside there you must have a valid identity card or passport. As a Union citizen you must register your right of residence at the latest when three months have elapsed from your entry into the country.

Registration takes place at the police department of your municipality of residence, and a written certificate of the registration will be issued to you (certificate of registration of the right of residence of a Union citizen). If you are a citizen of the Nordic countries, however, your registration will be handled by the local register office and only if your period of residence exceeds six months.

As an EU citizen, you will not need special grounds for your residence in Finland. If you wish, you may, however, register your residence on the basis of employment, self-employment, studying or family ties. EU citizens registering as students or on some other basis are required to provide an explanation of their means of livelihood and where necessary, to have health insurance. Those registering as employees or self-employed persons are not required to give an explanation of their livelihood. If you register yourself as a family member of an EU citizen, the need for an explanation of your livelihood depends on the basis on which your family member is residing in Finland.

The registration of the right of residence is valid indefinitely. A Union citizen is entitled to permanent residence after an uninterrupted period of five years of legal residence in Finland.

Registration of the right of residence may be refused if a Union citizen is deemed to endanger public order, public safety or public health.

In exceptional circumstances, Union citizens may be issued with a residence permit if they are unable to register on account of a lack of funds and if they were entitled to a residence permit without meeting the income requirement or if an exception could be made in a pa
作者: 前香港人    時間: 8-10-2009 04:48     標題: BNO Holders may obtain a EU residence card

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 8-10-2009 04:57 編輯

BNO passport holders are recognised as EU Citizen
http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/ho ... FB7C2256EF4002E78D4

Registration of EU citizens’ and family members’ residence cards
EU citizens and citizens of Liechtenstein and Switzerland must register their residence after staying three months in Finland. The local police handle the registration, except for Nordic citizens, who register at a Register Office and present the Inter-Nordic Migration Form. Nordic citizens must register their residence if they stay in Finland longer than six months. A written certificate of registration (in Finnish: Unionin kansalaisen oleskeluoikeuden rekisteröintitodistus) is given to persons who have been registered after the authorities have established whether the requirements for registration are met.

Finnish Immigration Service/Working

Family members of EU citizens who are not EU citizens or comparable persons must, however, apply for a residence card. Registration and a residence card are proof of a person’s right of residence and, thus, they are not residence permits in the strict sense of the word. A certificate of registration proves that an EU citizen’s right of residence has been entered in the Register of Aliens.

After residing continuously in Finland for five years, EU citizens family members may be issued with a permanent residence card.

Depending on the grounds for applications, the following documents must be submitted when registering the right of residence:

basic information form, including the necessary translations

EU1 registration

residence card application
antrag auf ausstellung einer aufenhaltskarte
demand de carte de sèjour

i) clarification on family ties
ii) marriage certificate
iii) information on the principal terms of employment provided by the employer
iv) account of the pursuit of a trade
v) certificate of study
vi) account of the applicant’s means of support
vii) photograph
viii) national identity card or passport
ix) other documents requested by the authorities.
作者: ADSL    時間: 10-10-2009 23:18

隨著越來越多的真人測試,在歐洲持 BNO 的待遇與以前完全不同:以往持 BNO 入境英國要填 Landing card,排非 EU隊伍;二月一日起入境英國排「非歐盟」隊,會被有關人員趕走,叫你去排 EU 隊,甚至當面把你已經填寫好的 Landing card 撕毀,不再在BNO 上蓋章等等,這些希奇古怪的現象,早在幾個前已開始在歐洲發生;先是奧地利突然在航空公司的資料頁之中,把 BNO 的入境居留條件改和 BC相同,再在歐洲各地發生大量的免蓋印,要求入境排歐盟隊的事件,種種現象都令人懷疑,這些事件背後只是反映著政策的改變,而不是單純的錯誤
前香港人 發表於 4-10-2009 14:44
呢D小動作的確不可以小窺,同共產黨一樣,小動作,大政策
作者: 前香港人    時間: 11-10-2009 09:29     標題: 不要那麼自私,給多些各人網兄弟姊妹知。

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 11-10-2009 09:40 編輯

因小弟之發現會影300萬BNO Holders之終生福旨,希望置項給各人網兄弟姊妹知

BNO已被瑞典、冰島及挪威、芬蘭承認EU Citizen身份,多條生路


其實已簽署之國家括南愛爾蘭 OK

不要那麼自私,自己過了河就《算夠數》,給多些人網兄弟姊妹知。明天土共會點對付各反共及爭取民主之 LSD 及人網兄弟姊妹真係唔知。在下已是很好的《人辨》!
作者: ecrvimun    時間: 11-10-2009 12:39

拿BNO去讀書, 請問會否平宜點?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 11-10-2009 12:41

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 11-10-2009 12:44 編輯

Sure in England 90% universities recognise it as their passport and 10% treat you as pig to receive overseas tuition fee. Of ocurse, BNO in EU 100% being recongised as same as local student owing to the Lisobn Treaty.
作者: ckwonguk    時間: 11-10-2009 15:45

因小弟之發現會影300萬BNO Holders之終生福旨,希望置項給各人網兄弟姊妹知。
...
前香港人 發表於 11-10-2009 09:29
唔駛咁緊張住,依家港人北上揾食潮,相睇潮就 hing hing hum hum 緊,海外移民潮就未見到有出現,而且歐洲根本唔係港人移民嘅首選,港人都唔重視呢單野,若果唔係都出 Q 晒報紙頭條喇,所以耐唔耐出個 post update 吓,佢就自不然會置項嫁喇,駛乜攪得咁大陣象...
作者: QQ    時間: 11-10-2009 19:30

Sure in England 90% universities recognise it as their passport and 10% treat you as pig to receive overseas tuition fee. Of ocurse, BNO in EU 100% being recongised as same as local student owing to t ...
前香港人 發表於 11-10-2009 04:41
are you sure????????????????
作者: 前香港人    時間: 11-10-2009 21:12

因好多都董搞indefinite leave to remain or 永久住址 or EU-ID card
作者: ukfans    時間: 12-10-2009 00:50

28# 前香港人

i mentioned this to a solicitor in the UK
he and his colleague don't seem to know anything about this issue..............
作者: 前香港人    時間: 12-10-2009 02:14

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 12-10-2009 02:17 編輯

為何登入人網後看....無端端在頁尾被加了Link 註腳

Click  >>"BNO已被瑞典、冰島及挪威、芬蘭承認EU Citizen身份,多條生路"

是版主代加的....還是被黑入了?

[attach]121868[/attach]
作者: kc0716    時間: 13-10-2009 02:03

7# 前香港人

里斯本條約 波蘭總統簽了 只剩捷克


http://news.rti.org.tw/index_newsContent.aspx?nid=219131
作者: pomkon    時間: 13-10-2009 06:33

I was going to apply for indefinite leave to remain (settlement) through the Long Residency caterogy, but then found out my leave of 32 months in 10 years was way over the 18 months limit, although they judge cases on an individual basis, but the limited leave is quite essential. Now I am just extending my stay in the UK with the Post-study work visa. It is not a route to citizenship but that's what I can get now because the leave under this visa does not count.

perhaps some of you can help or this new EU treaty...
作者: QQ    時間: 13-10-2009 06:54

我係計五年果隻

五年內離開英國不得超過四百五十日,我剩係離開o左約二百日度(多數是去旅行),所以冇問題
作者: pomkon    時間: 13-10-2009 08:26

本帖最後由 pomkon 於 13-10-2009 08:29 編輯

yours is the high skilled migrant?? I have been studying all the time and without a home in UK, thats why I have a long leave. and I have just graduated, things look grim.
作者: mememomo    時間: 13-10-2009 09:51

This is a good news. At least HKG people have another option.

Although most of them are now eager to make money in China, some people who dont benefit from it or who dont care would prefer to live in a free country.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 13-10-2009 12:22

7# 前香港人

里斯本條約 波蘭總統簽了 只剩捷克


http://news.rti.org.tw/index_newsContent.aspx?nid=219131
kc0716 發表於 13-10-2009 02:03
Thank you Brother...

That's mean it will be implemented in early of 2010.

What is the possible implication to England?
作者: chapest2005    時間: 13-10-2009 14:00

thank you for sharing. 雖然我己看完各大大的文章, 但天資所限, 末能完全理解.
有以下題議:
希望有心人可以就

身處香港的BNO如何正式取得EU citizen 有一個比較完整的程序和具體的完成步驟.

我覺得香港現在還可以生存,到我地下一代就好難講, 沒能力的就話要默默接受 但係現在有如一線生機,
我吾係想放棄香港, 但我好想為我的家人留一生路.

有沒有可能第時有人攪番間"新警紅移民顧問有限公司" 提供一條龍BNO移民EU的服務????  應該有得做!

最少出本書教下大家都好丫
作者: QQ    時間: 13-10-2009 15:08

yours is the high skilled migrant?? I have been studying all the time and without a home in UK, thats why I have a long leave. and I have just graduated, things look grim.
pomkon 發表於 13-10-2009 00:26
我係用搵到工作,交夠稅五年果隻,不是高妓術
作者: FredaW    時間: 13-10-2009 15:44

我係用搵到工作,交夠稅五年果隻,不是高妓術
QQ 發表於 13-10-2009 15:08
但我o係hk , 點o係 uk 搵到工作!
我上過uk goverment 的website, 搵工果page 係死link , 入不到!!!
希望我朋友真係會開間shop啦 !!
到時請我去工作就好了
作者: pomkon    時間: 13-10-2009 17:12

38# QQ

I dont know about your plan and the others. I am not there yet. So can you leave your job before finding a new one? You are bound to work in your 'sponsored' company now?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 13-10-2009 20:15

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 13-10-2009 21:19 編輯

37# chapest2005

See page 18 & 19 already show the step.

1) prepare money as much as you have
2) buy a ticket to Sweden / Finland
3) bring with your BNO passport , all relevant documents, ming or fur and or your second wife
4) land and rent a house for a month to obtain an address
5) go to the police office to declare you want to stay and work for longer than 6 months for register (if they don't understand what you say they will simply kick you away) You better to employ an second wife for translation
6) fill in the form to the immigrantion department and obtain resident ID card
7) enjoy your life with your second wife or temporary wife for two weeks to wait for the reply of resident ID card
8) collect ID card and fire your second wife or temporary wife
9) come back by swimming and or flying
作者: joshua    時間: 13-10-2009 20:52

this should be a very big news for all HK people, but I have never read any related news on HK newspapers, am I missing?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 13-10-2009 21:10

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 13-10-2009 21:18 編輯

42# joshua

You are really a forg under the well like all other  Hong Kong People. More than 98% media in Hong have been controlled by the communist party already.

The media (CCTVB) & CCAsia) just mentioned Iris people voted Lisbon Treadty. Even in England, the dicussion on that is zero.

Do you know the communist party has forced Hong Kong Government to join their spy system to exrcise the "White Night Fear Program"  I am the typical example but no one beleive my experience is true.

Think why the communist party banned the movie "The Lives Of Others竊聽風暴" http://forum.8cyber.com/viewthread.php?tid=14470518

http://others.swtwn.com/
港產的《竊聽風雲 (粵語)》是抄上述的。Go to see it. Their snifing and monitoring technique may penetrate the wall and floor is true  and able to do so according to latest technology. It is not blowing water.

If they have banned above movie, do you think they will let you know BNO may have the right to abode in EU (except UK so far)

Sorry for calling you well forg.
作者: pomkon    時間: 14-10-2009 00:15

43# 前香港人

you have quite alot of opinions, but what are your experience, the things that happened to you?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-10-2009 00:41

44# pomkon

See my experience.. It is true and now happening. Not joking.

http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/viewthread.php?tid=761195&page=19#pid4415756
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 02:10

本帖最後由 QQ 於 13-10-2009 18:18 編輯
但我o係hk , 點o係 uk 搵到工作!
我上過uk goverment 的website, 搵工果page 係死link , 入不到!!!
希望我朋友真係會開間shop啦 !!
到時請我去工作就好了
FredaW 發表於 13-10-2009 07:44
響英國都難搵工,何況你人在香港

如果你個friend開間o野,佢都首先要肯同你做大量paperwork,而冇特殊理由(如在當地請唔到你有的"特別技能")都應該唔會批,因為佢要向home office(定唔知邊度)解釋點解一定要請一個外來人
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 02:17

38# QQ

I dont know about your plan and the others. I am not there yet. So can you leave your job before finding a new one? You are bound to work in your 'sponsored' company now?
pomkon 發表於 13-10-2009 09:12
你有權跳槽

只要你新的公司都肯同你做新的工作簽證paperwork就得喇

事關你一離職(舊job),之前的工作簽證也會自動失效,如新僱主冇同你搞新的工作簽證,就算舊的工作簽證未到期,理論上也是違法工作的
作者: pomkon    時間: 14-10-2009 02:57

你有權跳槽

只要你新的公司都肯同你做新的工作簽證paperwork就得喇

事關你一離職(舊job),之前的工作簽證也會自動失效,如新僱主冇同你搞新的工作簽證,就算舊的工作簽證未到期,理論上也是違法工作的 ...
QQ 發表於 14-10-2009 02:17
is there a rule that you can stay 1 month in Uk after that.???
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 06:02

is there a rule that you can stay 1 month in Uk after that.???
pomkon 發表於 13-10-2009 18:57
真係唔知喎

當然唔會即get out,應該有緩衝期

再唔係去荷蘭法國走一轉再入境,又可以旅遊身份留三個月
作者: pomkon    時間: 14-10-2009 06:24

49# QQ

well but then that breaks the continuous leave, they penalise you on that when you apply again.
I research quite a bit because i really wanted it but later found out not eligible for it and I am left with this yet useless knowledge....
作者: joshua    時間: 14-10-2009 13:18

I am confused, if you are talking about 'find a job, pay the tax and get the citizenship', that is not a matter of BNO, many many mainland china passport holders are doing this everyday. As a BNO holders, can we just buy a ticket and move to EU or UK without any limitations?
作者: michellepro    時間: 14-10-2009 13:32

我想問我本BNO早就過期了, 如果依家同老公一齊去申請番,而我又想做真人測試下..可以應該點做, 當然我會先去申請番新的BNO啦.
作者: pomkon    時間: 14-10-2009 16:53

51# joshua

i guess not a difference in the UK
作者: joshua    時間: 14-10-2009 17:45

51# joshua

i guess not a difference in the UK
pomkon 發表於 14-10-2009 04:53 PM
sorry,  I don't understand.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-10-2009 19:21

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 14-10-2009 19:25 編輯

michellepro
從網上他們的Immigrantion Department 資訊 BNO 是 EU passport所以可以無須簽証證無須向Police 做register。因BNO 是 EU passport所以可隨時受聘或自顧。向immigrantion 交$$$$填表取ID Card因要交入息稅。UK一定唔得。北歐五國已OK.但法德其他的唔太凊楚。理論上得,因大家互相承認。更且入境法國己在英BNO holder過境不用填表直行直過。
作者: michellepro    時間: 14-10-2009 19:37

michellepro
從網上他們的Immigrantion Department 資訊 BNO 是 EU passport所以可以無須簽証證無須向Police 做register。因BNO 是 EU passport所以可隨時受聘或自顧。向immigrantion 交$$$$填表取ID Card因要交入 ...
前香港人 發表於 14-10-2009 19:21
謝謝你啊.05年去荷蘭工幹真係直過無阻, 不過早年因為唸突衰護照好有用就無再續,唉..原來有咁多好處....真係貴貴都要攞番先得.
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 19:40

本帖最後由 QQ 於 14-10-2009 11:42 編輯
I am confused, if you are talking about 'find a job, pay the tax and get the citizenship', that is not a matter of BNO, many many mainland china passport holders are doing this everyday. As a BNO hold ...
joshua 發表於 14-10-2009 05:18
冇錯,搵工時係一樣

但歸化時就唔同,BNO分分鐘仲冇"so"過中華人民共和國護照,因為BNO holder不可以以家庭形式申請,只要你唔係單身寡佬,你比o既手續費係會貴過其他任何護照
作者: michellepro    時間: 14-10-2009 19:43

冇錯,搵工時係一樣

但歸化時就唔同,BNO分分鐘仲冇"so"過中華人民共和國護照,因為BNO holder不可以以家庭形式申請,只要你唔係單身寡佬,你比o既手續費係會貴過其他任何護照 ...
QQ 發表於 14-10-2009 19:40
無錯48頁1900元, 32頁1600元..
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 19:46

michellepro
從網上他們的Immigrantion Department 資訊 BNO 是 EU passport所以可以無須簽証證無須向Police 做register。因BNO 是 EU passport所以可隨時受聘或自顧。向immigrantion 交$$$$填表取ID Card因要交入 ...
前香港人 發表於 14-10-2009 11:21
直行直過係因為佢o地唔識分BP同BNO,並非BNO有任何優勢

早年亦有唔少人因用BNO直頭入唔到法國(亦因為海關唔識),我記得舊時響英國留學生newsgroup好多人都話領過o野,特區護照反而好D

仲有,好多歐洲國家都冇邊防可言,揸車過o左邊境都唔會覺
作者: QQ    時間: 14-10-2009 19:50

無錯48頁1900元, 32頁1600元..
michellepro 發表於 14-10-2009 11:43
我指歸化時,其本上如果你冚家都係BNO hoder就真係不如扮特區人算喇,我改唔到係因為一直以為BNO有SO,所以之前所有簽證都係用BNO跟開,點知後尾自知中計
今日正式入紙申請英籍,本來由香港BNO轉英籍($540)是平過由其他國籍轉少少(其他國籍要£8XX),但其他國籍可以用family聯名申請,而BNO只接受個人申,即是如果多於一人的家庭會變相比貴o左,真係唔好去搶!
http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/thread-819160-1-1.html
作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-10-2009 19:54

直行直過係因為佢o地唔識分BP同BNO,並非BNO有任何優勢

早年亦有唔少人因用BNO直頭入唔到法國(亦因為海關唔識),我記得舊時響英國留學生newsgroup好多人都話領過o野,特區護照反而好D

仲有,好多歐洲國家都冇邊防可 ...
QQ 發表於 14-10-2009 19:46
QQ兄勿再嚇人了...法律是法律...未簽Lisbon Treaty 前領過o野過唔到關會是
現今已有網友人肉測試 OK 在英未能享之福利在EU 反而得..只要有永久地址..有ID Card..有交稅記錄
作者: amo    時間: 15-10-2009 00:01

其實「歐洲公民權」即是點?
有無資料?有無人可巨體解說下?
作者: pomkon    時間: 15-10-2009 01:39

sorry Joshua, i was just confirming with your answer. I mean there isnt a difference between BNO and other passports when applying for citizenship.
作者: v432ut06    時間: 15-10-2009 02:16

謝謝你啊.05年去荷蘭工幹真係直過無阻, 不過早年因為唸突衰護照好有用就無再續,唉..原來有咁多好處....真係貴貴都要攞番先得.
michellepro 發表於 14-10-2009 19:37
現持特區護照往英國讀書,每兩星期要到警察局報到一次,用BNO則不用到警局報到。切記!
作者: QQ    時間: 15-10-2009 05:59

現持特區護照往英國讀書,每兩星期要到警察局報到一次,用BNO則不用到警局報到。切記!
v432ut06 發表於 14-10-2009 18:16
我記得D大陸同學係要耐唔耐去警察局報到,但應該唔使每兩個禮拜一次咁密
作者: QQ    時間: 15-10-2009 06:03

QQ兄勿再嚇人了...法律是法律...未簽Lisbon Treaty 前領過o野過唔到關會是
現今已有網友人肉測試 OK 在英未能享之福利在EU 反而得..只要有永久地址..有ID Card..有交稅記錄 ...
前香港人 發表於 14-10-2009 11:54
我只是想指出BNO並非呢度D人吹到咁好用,不要神化BNO
作者: Wongster_UK    時間: 15-10-2009 06:12

我建議各BNO holders 應該採取觀望態度
睇下01/01/2010 之後d規則有冇變
英國啲政客成日complain 話比歐盟 - Brussel 啲法律管制
睇下今次歐盟啲法律會晤會幫倒BNO holders 啦
作者: joshua    時間: 15-10-2009 17:19

if I get a EU passport, I can move to any EU countries without any limitations, right?
But for BNO and other passports, I have to find a job, pay the tax before I can apply the citizenship. The difference between BNO and china passport is BNO holders can find a normal job like 7-11, while china passport holder can't, right?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 21:47     標題: Dear Brothers and Sisters,,

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 21:51 編輯

The migrant method and application forms as statedin the front pages of  two countries are linked in 19th page (storey)  and the form is attached in 1st page. Sorry that, I cannot last longer to hold this page up-dating becuse the time is so short.

Beleive it or not, when I up-date this page, my PC is under harking attrack causing hanging several times and my ceiling floor has been knocked several times in the same time. I am not joking.
作者: pomkon    時間: 15-10-2009 22:16

現持特區護照往英國讀書,每兩星期要到警察局報到一次,用BNO則不用到警局報到。切記!
v432ut06 發表於 15-10-2009 02:16
dont think so, it sounds like some rumours, if u have got a student visa, im sure you dont need to do that
作者: 懶人    時間: 15-10-2009 22:49

一定要renew
作者: joshua    時間: 15-10-2009 22:59

The migrant method and application forms as statedin the front pages of  two countries are linked in 19th page (storey)  and the form is attached in 1st page. Sorry that, I cannot last longer to hold  ...
前香港人 發表於 15-10-2009 09:47 PM
looks MI6 is focusing on you, you talk too much!
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:11

looks MI6 is focusing on you, you talk too much!
joshua 發表於 15-10-2009 22:59
I think you are one of my mindiless colleague and also the Communist Dog, Aren't you? ....Sorry....Just joking.

I am not afraid of MI6 but ZKG
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:11     標題: Iceland Residence Permits

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 16-10-2009 00:53 編輯

http://www.utl.is/english/residence-permits/

Residence Permits
A foreign citizen intending to stay longer than three months in Iceland must have a residence permit.

An EEA-national may stay for three months without any permit but if he is looking for employment e is allowed to stay in Iceland for up to six months without. If the individual resides longer in Iceland, he shall register his right to residency with the National Registry, Þjóðskrá

Citizens of countries outside the EEA who are family members of an EEA citizen shall apply for a residence card at the Directorate of Immigration within three months from their arrival in Iceland.

Stay in another country which is a member of the Schengen area is counted the same as a stay in Iceland. This does not apply to an EEA-national.

The purpose of an applicant’s stay in Iceland shall conform with the residence permit being applied for.

A foreign citizen shall have reached the age of 18 years before applying for a residence permit. A foreign citizen under the age of 18 can only be issued a residence permit according to his/her parent or legal guardian's residence permit. Please note that an application will not be processed until it has been paid for. See here.

If the applicant is not able to communicate directly with the Directorate, the applicant may authorize an individual residing in Iceland to follow up on the progress of his application. This authorization shall be in writing, you may access a form here.

Are you a family member of a EEA citizen?
Are you a citizen of a country outside the EEA?
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:12     標題: Iceland Work Permit and Residence Permit on landing

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 23:21 編輯

Work- and residence permit for qualified professionals.
Please note that an application will not be processed until it has been paid for. See here.

Estimated application processing time for a residence permit is 90 days.

An application for a first residence permit shall have been approved before a foreigner arrives in the country. This means that if a foreigner is in Iceland when an application is submitted for a work that requires a specialist, for the first time, he must leave the country while the application is being processed.

For renewal of residence permit for qualified professionals, see instructions at the bottom of this page.

This type of residence permit count towards permanent residence permits.
Family reunifications are permitted for families of qualified professionals.
A foreigner needs to have signed an employment contract with an employer for specified employment requiring specialized skills.

The following documentation must be submitted with the application:
If sufficient documentation has not been submitted, the application processing time will be considerably longer.
1.        A completed application form for a residence permit signed by the applicant.

2.        A completed application form for a work permit for a qualified professionals.

3.        A signed employment contract.

4.        One passport size photo (35mm-45mm) must be attached tho the application.

5.        A photocopy of the applicant’s passport. The validity of the passport must be at least three months beyond the proposed permit.

6.        Criminal Record Check. The certificate must be issued by the country/countries where the applicant has resided for the past five years, original. Criminal Record Certificate must be dated no earlier than 6 months prior to being submitted to the Directorate

7.        Medical Insurance. Insurance must cover at least 2.000.000 Icel.kr., and shall be issued by an insurance company authorized to provide services in Iceland. The insurance must be in effect for 6 months.

8.        Authorization. The applicant may grant a relative or another person in Iceland authorization to enquire about his application.

9.        Housing Certificate The foreigner must prove that he has secure housing for the period of time he is applying for.

Attached to the application must be certified originals of documentation as applicable. The Directorate requires that original documents issued in foreign countries, which are submitted with an application for a residence permit, be authenticated. Authentication can be either an „apostille“ from the applicant‘s home country, or a double authentication from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs in the home country and the Embassy of that country in Iceland, or the embassy accredited to Iceland (if the country does not have an embassy in Iceland). This applies to criminal record checks, marriage certificates, birth certificates and any other certificates submitted with an application for a residence permit in Iceland.The Directorate requires that all foreign documentation issued in languages other than English or one of the Scandinavian Languages, must be translated by an accredited interpreter.

Further information on apostille is available at http://hcch.e-vision.nl
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:14     標題: Upon arrival in Iceland

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 23:57 編輯

If the application for work- and residence permit is approved, the foreigner needs to obtain a D-Visa in the closest embassy issuing such visas on behalf of Iceland. The application must state in which embassy the foreigner intends to obtain the visa. Check here for a list of embassies.

Upon arrival in Iceland, the foreigner shall:

•        Register his domicile in Iceland at the National Registry (Þjóðskrá).
•        Deliver a Medical Certificate to the Directorate. Check here for exemptions and procedures from the Directorate of Health.
•        Present himself at the directorate´s office, or at the nearest District Commissioner´s office to be photographed.

Upon fulfilling those obligations the permit is issued and the residece card is sent to the applicants address. The first day of the permit is counted as the date the residence permit is issued.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:14     標題: Renewal of Icland Residence Permit

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 23:59 編輯

Applicant shall personally submit application and will be photographed at that time, unless otherwise stated. See here.

An application for renewal that is submitted within the time limits has the effect that the applicant may stay in Iceland subject to the same conditions as before until a decision has been taken on his application. A foreigner shall submit his application for a renewal at least one month before his permit expires; or else the applicant could have to leave the country.

The following documentation must be submitted with the application:
If sufficient documentation has not been submitted, the application processing time will be considerably longer.

1.        A completed application form for a residence permit signed by the applicant, original.

2.        A completed application form for a work permit, for qualified professionals, original.

3.        A signed employment contract.

4.        A photocopy of the applicant´s passport. The validity of the passport must be at least three months beyond the proposed permit.

5.        Housing Certificate The foreigner must prove that he has secure housing for the period of time he is applying for.

6.        Certificate from social services. The applicant must submit a certificate from the applicable municipal services, indicating whether or not he has received any financial social support.

7.        Tax payment record. A foreigner shall submit a statement from the applicable tax authority of payment of taxes for the past 12 months.
When the processing of the application is completed, the applicant will be advised by a written notification.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 15-10-2009 23:16     標題: EEA- member countries

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 15-10-2009 23:17 編輯

The following countries are members of the European Economic Area (EEA):

AUSTRIA
BELGIUM
BULGARIA
DENMARK
FINLAND
FRANCE
GERMANY
GREAT BRITAIN
GREECE
IRELAND
ITALY
LICHTENSTEIN
LUXEMBURG
NETHERLANDS
NORWAY
PORTUGAL
SPAIN
SWEDEN
Citizens of SWITZERLAND enjoy the same rights as the EEA nationals.
CYPRUS
CZECH REPUBLIC
ESTONIA
HUNGARY
LATVIA
LITHUANIA
MALTA
POLAND
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
SLOVENIA
作者: v432ut06    時間: 16-10-2009 00:25

dont think so, it sounds like some rumours, if u have got a student visa, im sure you dont need to do that
pomkon 發表於 15-10-2009 22:16
OF COURSE YOU MUST NEED STUDENT VISA, BUT THE HOLDER OF HKSAR PASSPORT STILL NEED TO DO SO.
作者: QQ    時間: 17-10-2009 06:14

捷克總統拒簽字 確認歐憲添波折

愛爾蘭早前就歐盟新憲《里斯本條約》第二度舉行全民公投,愛爾蘭選民最終讓《里斯本條約》過關,歐盟新憲獲全體成員確認可謂指日可待。波蘭總統萊赫.卡欽斯基上周六簽署《里斯本條約》,意味着歐盟內只剩捷克一國尚未「點頭」,而令歐盟官員和親歐派人士頭痛的是,堅拒簽署條約的捷克總統克勞斯是位不折不扣的疑歐政客,面對這條固執己見的「攔路虎」,新歐憲又會否胎死腹中?

在捷克國內享有崇高地位的前總統哈維爾,日前出席「天鵝絨革命」紀念活動時罕有地公開批評他一手提拔的克勞斯,認為他堅拒給《里斯本條約》簽字於國家利益有損兼不負責任,他激動地說:「我實在忍不住要評論一下當前的政治局勢,克勞斯的顧慮荒謬得很,這有眾多原因,我相信克勞斯當選總統前應清楚向民眾交代自己的政治意向,向他們攤開底牌,好讓那些投票給他的人有心理準備。」

哈維爾當年見政府內欠缺經濟專家,於是提攜他加入政府,雖然二人交惡好一段時間,但哈維爾鮮有公開批評自己的繼任人。是故,連哈維爾也公開斥責克勞斯雞蛋裏挑骨頭,克勞斯在簽署新歐憲問題上承受更大壓力。不過,要倔強的克勞斯低頭絕非易事,還記得捷克年初擔任歐盟輪值主席,克勞斯竟決絕得拒掛歐盟旗。擔任過渡政府總理的菲舍爾更被克勞斯耍得暈頭轉向,菲舍爾一方面要應付歐盟,另一方面極力促請克勞斯讓步,奈何對方冷淡得連讓步條件也未有交代,貫徹一向我行我素的作風。

克勞斯昨日表示,《歐盟基本權利憲章》生效後,那些於二戰後流離失所的人可能會繞過捷克法庭,直接向歐洲法院提出討回財產的訴訟。原來,二戰前捷克斯洛伐克被迫接受《慕尼黑協定》,將境內蘇台德地區割讓給納粹德國,二戰結束後,捷克斯洛伐克收回蘇台德地區,捷克斯洛伐克總統貝奈斯頒令將三百萬蘇台德德意志族居民驅逐出境,並沒收其全部財產。克勞斯強調,他之所以在最後時刻拒絕簽字,就是為了確保貝奈斯法令的效力得以延續下去。

克勞斯擺出捍衞貝奈斯法令的姿態,但卻拒絕配合菲舍爾為妥協打開大門,似乎有意將問題拖延,難道他真的希望等到英國工黨政府下台,與力主就《里斯本條約》進行公投的保守黨黨魁卡梅倫來個唱雙簧?有捷克政界人士認為,克勞斯不會無限期與其他歐盟成員對着幹,只要他得到想要的東西自然會收手。

一名捷克政客表示,克勞斯的自戀性格令他嚮往成為權力核心、眾人目光的焦點,而捷克民眾也因為本身缺乏自信而對克勞斯非常仰慕。據悉克勞斯每天都會接到歐洲各國政客的來電,委求他給《里斯本條約》簽字,克勞斯反對新歐憲的真正動機為何,日後自有分曉。

(犬陽報)
作者: 前香港人    時間: 17-10-2009 09:08     標題: MO’s notebook 3 to 4

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 17-10-2009 09:09 編輯

http://martinoei.wordpress.com/2 ... %E6%9C%89%E6%9C%9B/
十月 3, 2009...6:58 am
里斯本條約通過有望
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雖然搞到一鑊粥,但在金融海嘯後,特別在英國自已都自身難保之際,愛爾蘭人賭不起歐盟改革遲緩的結果,照票站調查顯示,支持《里斯本條約》的人佔六成,換言之,應該可以公投過關。愛爾蘭一過關,波蘭和捷克的元首都會簽署條約,2010年元旦日,歐盟全境會正式實施《里斯本條約》。

雖然英國有一批人,很希望愛爾蘭公投失敗,但可能性很低,因為當英國自已的銀行系統都不比冰島好太多時(不要忘記,RBS現時是國有銀行,白高敦首相還想加持),那愛爾蘭靠攏歐陸是無可避免,支持《里斯本條約》是沒有辦法的。

由於《里斯本條約》是一份大陸法系的東西,而英國對1982年的聲明中,又沒有對BN(O)這怪物有任何定義(BDTC改成BOTC倒有的,而附錄權力在大陸法系下是很難凌駕法律本文,因此,歐盟公民定義一被修訂,會搞出膠出來,這也是很多人對引入人權憲章入正文疑慮多多的原因),又沒將香港寫入Article 299將香港徹底剔出適用範圍,成堆持英國本土國籍,但無居留權的BN(O),究竟係乜嚟?因此,《里斯本條約》正式生效後,BN(O)在歐洲地區法理權力的問題,很快會有好戲看。

不用心急,繼續看戲便是(而且如果中國有可能出現大亂局,BN(O)是有某程度逃生門,英國人一貫如此,不到最後一刻都不會成文化)。

後話:德國係一個執法嚴格的國家,BN(O)就算在德國法蘭克福和漢堡不被蓋印,在柏林首都機場都「難逃一蓋」,極少走甩,但近數月來,小弟認識的BN(O)持有人,無人在柏林機場收過蓋印,EU隊果度照行照過,而不收蓋印的日子,是2009年6月30日,德國憲法法院解釋德國基本法,認定《里斯本條約》合憲後。在大陸法系國家,除了波蘭、英國、愛爾蘭和捷克,看來沒有國家夠膽給BN(O)任何蓋印。在愛爾蘭都通過公投後,BN(O)將會在歐陸本土是de facto歐盟公民,但在Common Travel Area不是局面,那一旦玩出膠,英國點同歐陸各國拆掂佢,就真係交番個波俾英國。作為英國人,我對自已國家政府的硬膠行為無眼睇。

不過更好笑是,現時歐盟總統的熱門人選,當中不少是英國人,最大熱門應是剛改信天主教的英國前首相貝理雅。

20個回應
Dick Ma
十月 3, 2009 at 7:46 am
我果次在英被蓋印的事情還未解決…UKBA 還正在拖緊我個case..暫時未向MP投訴, 因為ombudsman 要我等佢地回覆才可以再投訴….

請世澤兄再詳述一下BN(O)當里斯本條約通過之後,會有甚麼權利?例如居留權和在歐洲工作權利等等。(最壞的情況起碼不一定中共發生事時,讓大家知道逃難不一定要到英國,到其他歐盟國家也可以)

Wrightbus
十月 3, 2009 at 8:01 am
小弟半年前用BNO經巴黎轉機到柏林,由頭到尾都沒蓋過印。

martinoei 黃世澤
十月 3, 2009 at 10:30 am
To Wrightbus:

神根區之間交通往來係唔會有蓋印,巴黎己經係神根區。但由英國或者其他國家入柏林,BN(O)在今年六月前係「難逃一印」,但六月三十日後,初期有IO會call上司核實一下蓋不蓋,依家係見到BN(O)行EU隊就話知你。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 17-10-2009 10:15

http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/tr ... land_eutreaty.shtml
波蘭總統簽署《里斯本條約》

波蘭總統簽署《里斯本條約》
波蘭總統卡欽斯基周六(10日)簽署了旨在歐盟改革的《里斯本條約》,正式批准了該條約。
歐洲委員會和歐洲議會的領導人在波蘭首都華沙出席了簽署儀式。
波蘭議會去年同意了該條約,但是卡欽斯基總統在愛爾蘭上周舉行公投同意該條約之前一直拒絕簽署。
目前,捷克是27個歐盟成員國中唯一還沒有批准該條約的國家。
捷克總統克勞斯要求在條約中增加一條規定,確保捷克不會被要求歸還在第二次世界大戰中獲得的財產。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 17-10-2009 10:46     標題: 《里斯本條約》

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 17-10-2009 10:49 編輯

《里斯本條約》(英文:Treaty of Lisbon),正式名係《對〈歐洲聯盟條約〉同〈歐洲共同體成立條約〉嘅修正草案》(英文:Draft Treaty amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community)係歐洲聯盟用嚟取代《歐洲聯盟憲法》嘅條約。

2007年10月19號,27 個歐洲聯盟成員國領袖簽咗《里斯本條約》,重新界定歐盟外交政策。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 17-10-2009 10:47     標題: 《歐洲聯盟條約》或者叫《馬城條約》

《歐洲聯盟條約》或者叫《馬斯特里赫特條約》、《馬城條約》,1991年12月9-10號,第 46 屆歐洲共同體首腦會議喺荷蘭嘅馬斯特里赫特(Maastricht)舉行。辯論咗兩日,通過同草簽《歐洲經濟與貨幣聯盟條約》同《政治聯盟條約》,即《馬斯特里赫特條約》。呢一條約係對《羅馬條約》嘅修訂,為歐共體建立政治聯盟同經濟與貨幣聯盟確成咗目標同步驟,係歐洲聯盟成立嘅基礎。
目標 [編輯]
要在密切協調成員國經濟政策同實現歐洲內部統一市場嘅基礎上,形成共同嘅經濟政策。具體內容係:統一貨幣,制定統一嘅貨幣兌換率,建立一個制走同執行歐共體政策嘅歐洲中央銀行體系。
1999年1月1號,11個成員國採用歐元。包括:法國、德國、荷蘭、義大利、比利時、盧森堡、愛爾蘭、西班牙、葡萄牙、芬蘭同奧地利。希臘喺2000年12月加入歐元區。瑞典、丹麥同英國目前為止都決定暫時唔加入歐元區。歐元嘅散銀同銀紙喺2002年1月1號開始流通。歐元區國家各自己嘅散銀同銀紙喺2002年嘅前兩個月唔再流通。

http://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki ... F%E6%A2%9D%E7%B4%84

政治聯盟條約 [編輯]
《政治聯盟條約》由1990年4月由法國總統密特朗與德國總理科爾一齊提出。
目標係:實行共同嘅外交、防務。大會政策,進一步擴大歐共體超國家機構嘅權力,擴大歐洲議會嘅權力,令佢由原來嘅諮詢同監督機構變成部分嘅權力機構。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 18-10-2009 11:12     標題: Coming to France

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 18-10-2009 11:29 編輯

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en ... need-visa_1559.html
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en ... p3?id_rubrique=2045
Getting a visa  .......Do you need a Visa to France?
Several factors determine whether a visa is waived:
•        the nationality of the foreign national;
the holding of a residence document in France or another country adhering to the Schengen Agreement;
   the length of stay;
   and which part of the territory of the French Republic the foreign national is to visit.As far as visas are concerned, legislation divides the territory of the French Republic into the following three sections, where different regulations apply:
   the European territory of France, which is part of the Schengen area;
   the territory of Overseas Departments (Réunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe and French Guiana);
   Overseas territorial communities: French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Mayotte, French Southern and Antarctic Territories.
1. The European territory of France
The European territory of France is part of the Schengen area. The Schengen area includes the territory of the following European Union countries and associated countries: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Sweden.
1.1. Short stays (under 90 days in the Schengen area)
A short stay is a stay in the Schengen area under 90 days or multiple stays totalling less than 90 days in a period of six months.
For short stays, European regulations determine the list of countries from which citizens are not required to have a visa to enter the Schengen area.

A visa is waived for:
   citizens of the following countries: Andorra, Argentina, Australia, Bermuda, Brazil, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Croatia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Holy See, Honduras, Israel, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Monaco, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Panama, Paraguay, San Marino, Singapore, South Korea, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela;
   holders of passports from the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China and the Special Administrative Region of Macao of the People’s Republic of China;
   holders of a valid residence document in France;
   holders of a residence document issued by a country which adheres to the Schengen Agreement;
   holders of a travel document issued by a country which adheres to the Schengen Agreement.
1.2. Long stays (over 90 days in France)
Citizens of the following countries are not required to have a long-stay visa: Member States of the European Union and the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland, Monaco and Andorra.
2. Overseas Departments (DOM)
   Réunion
   French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Martinique (the three French Departments of the Americas)
2.1. Short stays
A short stay is a stay under 90 days in an Overseas Department.
A visa is waived for:
   citizens of the following countries: Andorra, Argentina, Australia, Bermuda, Bolivia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Croatia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Holy See, Honduras, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Monaco, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Panama, Paraguay, San Marino, Singapore, South Korea, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela;
   holders of passports from the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China and the Macao Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China;
   holders of a valid residence document in France.
2.1. Long stays
Citizens of the following countries are not required to have a long-stay visa: Member States of the European Union and the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland, Monaco and Andorra.
3. Other territories of the French Republic located overseasThey include:
   French Polynesia
   New Caledonia
   Wallis and Futuna
   Saint Pierre and Miquelon
   Mayotte
   French Southern and Antarctic Territories
3.1. Short stays
A short stay is a stay under 90 days.
A visa is waived for the citizens of the following countries:
Andorra, Argentina, Australia, Bermuda, Bolivie, Brunei, Bermuda, Bolivia, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Croatia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Holy See, Honduras, Hong Kong, Japan, Macao, Malaysia, Mexico, Monaco, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Panama, Paraguay, San Marino, Singapore, South Korea, United States, Uruguay.
3.2. Long stays
Citizens of the following countries are not required to have a long-stay visa: Member States of the European Union and the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland, Monaco and Andorra.
作者: 前香港人    時間: 18-10-2009 11:15     標題: For Working in France

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 18-10-2009 11:27 編輯

http://www.immigration.gouv.fr/I ... rangers_anglais.pdf

1
The new
“Skills and Talents" permit
You have a project. The “Skills and Talents” permit,
valid for an initial period of three years and
renewable thereafter, allows you to carry out any
professional activity of your choice in connection
with your project.
It is intended to allow you to participate in the
economic development of France and/or your
country of origin.
Your family will receive a Private and Family Life
permit, which will enable them accompany you to
France and work there.
You must submit your application to the French
Consulate. The Ambassador will decide whether
or not you are eligible for this permit.


2
The "Salaried"
and “Temporary Worker" permit
Different residence permits can be issued
opening up access to specific professions in
France.
- The “Salaried” temporary residence permit
- The "Temporary Worker" residence permit
- A permit granted under a bilateral
agreement.
The list of professions you can carry out in
France can be consulted on
www.immigration.gouv.fr.


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作者: ukfans    時間: 26-10-2009 03:44

dear members:
any latest news
作者: QQ    時間: 29-10-2009 04:34

里斯本條約獨欠捷克確認

【明報專訊】歐盟周四舉行峰會,但因捷克尚未簽署里斯本條約,相信屆時未能討論歐盟主席人選,要留待下月會議。啟動歐盟改革的里斯本條約目前已有26個歐盟國家確定,獨欠捷克未通過。捷克憲法法庭昨開始就里斯本條約有否違憲開始聆訊,倘若裁定沒違憲,預料捷克總統最終仍會勉強簽字。

法庭正審訊有否違憲

捷克總統克勞斯(Vaclav Klaus)是疑歐派,在氣候暖化上多次力挺美國前總統布殊。雖然捷克國會早前已通過條約,但克勞斯的議員盟友入稟憲法法庭,質疑條約違憲,侵犯捷克主權,克勞斯以憲法法庭正在處理為由,拒絕簽字。但《金融時報》引述一名官員稱,捷克問題相信「很快告一段落」,但未必能在本周末前解決。

克勞斯聲稱,里斯本條約附帶的基本權利憲章,會令二戰後被逐出捷克的德裔人可向捷克追討,要求歐盟豁免捷克不受規範,但大部分評論都認為其要求無理。為安撫捷克,歐盟領袖可能發聲明,表明約章不能成為戰後被逐出捷克的德裔人追討財產的理據。

里斯本條約旨在精簡歐盟議事程序,除增設常任主席及外交事務主管外,歐盟的基本架構維持不變,仍以歐洲議會、歐洲理事會及歐盟委員會為主,但歐洲議會權力將擴大,過往多使用一致通過表決方式的歐洲理事會,則將增加使用大多數表決方式,加快決議程序。外界一直詬病歐盟常任主席職能描述含糊,另常任主席與歐盟委員會主席的職權會否重疊亦受關注。主席具體工作可能視乎是誰出任,因此首任主席人選亦顯得格外重要。

(日月幸及)
作者: 前香港人    時間: 31-10-2009 16:36

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 31-10-2009 16:38 編輯

Any further GOD news or good news......I sure ....the Lisbon Treaty will be passed on 01-01-2010
作者: 前香港人    時間: 1-11-2009 14:14

http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/news/expressnews/20091031/news_20091031_55_623356.htm

  捷 克 總 統 稱 不 再 阻 撓 簽 署 《 里 斯 本 條 約 》
  
2009-10-31 HKT 11:37
  捷 克 總 統 克 勞 斯 說 , 不 會 再 提 出 新 的 條 件 , 阻 撓 簽 署 落 實 《  里 斯 本 條 約 》 。
  歐 盟  輪 任 主 席 、 瑞 典 首 相 賴 因 費 爾 特 說 , 歐 盟 峰 會 領 袖 同 意 捷 克 早 前 開 出 的 條 件 , 使 捷 克 履 行  《 里 斯 本 條 約 》 的 同 時 , 享 有 一 定 豁 免 權 , 為 落 實 《 里 斯 本 條 約 》 掃 除 最 後 一 個 政 治 障 礙  。
  不 過  , 部 份 捷 克 議 員 認 為 《 里 斯 本 條 約 》 一 些 細 節 違 反 當 地 法 律 , 向 捷 克 法 院 上 訴 , 預 料 下 周  有 裁 決 。
  

作者: 前香港人    時間: 1-11-2009 14:29

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 1-11-2009 16:40 編輯

Brothers & Sisters,

Congragulations ! See you in EU Countires.........

http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/thread-835852-1-1.html

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作者: 前香港人    時間: 1-11-2009 16:35     標題: BNO可以係歐洲4個國家以EU身分合法工作

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係咪包埋bno 先??

我依家其實o係瑞典
由於上次試用bno 衰左,我今日帶齊晒apply for visa 既野
諗住話交form,申請visa
點知個staff 又話我唔洗visa 喎
咁跟住佢又同佢個老闆傾左好耐
之後就比左份超簡單,比歐洲人填既form 我填 (which is called right of residence in sweden)
但由於我需要有health insurance certificate, 但我冇
佢於幫我交住張form 先,之後印左封信証明我applied for right of residence
叫我之後send 返張insurance proof 就搞掂
錢都唔洗比

我都唔知呀....突然之間,又變左做歐洲人
好似大家都唔係好confirm 到,究竟我地有冇咁既權利咁
好驚下次我再去, 佢又叫我都係要visa.....

我依家仲要搞份health insurance 比佢tim

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作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-11-2009 13:30

再..再..再...要更正....在網友成功例子下..更發現丹麥、芬蘭也一樣。還有更重要一點是.. BNO 也可與當地人一樣享受大學、中小學免費教育,在找到工作後去police登記,再去 immigration填EU citizen 表格,申請當地居民身份證。拿著當地居民身份證,往返歐州無需蓋印入境。五年後可申請當地入籍拿多本 Passport。但初來者要自行買醫療保險。
作者: benviss    時間: 14-11-2009 15:08

再..再..再...要更正....在網友成功例子下..更發現丹麥、芬蘭也一樣。還有更重要一點是.. BNO 也可與當地人一樣享受大學、中小學免費教育,在找到工作後去police登記,再去 immigration填EU citizen 表格,申請當地 ...
前香港人 發表於 14-11-2009 13:30
係真唔係? 如果係真,咁應該好大件事,點解香港傳謀無跟進? 請問有冇證據! 我都好想走,香港依家咁,我都好想走。
作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-11-2009 16:12

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 14-11-2009 17:42 編輯
係真唔係? 如果係真,咁應該好大件事,點解香港傳謀無跟進? 請問有冇證據! 我都好想走,香港依家咁,我都好想走。
benviss 發表於 14-11-2009 15:08
你隻「八街也佬」走唔走關我「能事」........不要信..

是假的....一切也不是真的...不要信...只是網友之posts....
不要信...是假的....一切也不是真的...不要信...
Norway and Sweden 之官方網頁條link 也是共產黨 及 HK Reporter網友假冒出來的

還有....連..最後Apple Daily 也再看不見有「法輪功」「大紀元」 三個字......你隻「八街也佬」黃皮豬(小弟也是)還想它們所謂《香港傳謀跟進》...請刪掉 HKReporter 之cookie 不要再回來了...兄弟...返大陸網看共匪的可信性高一點。

你知道小弟是誰嗎..(阿陶長毛卿姐華叔除外)....在這裡說假消息對自己有什麼得益 (政冶及金錢).
作者: chowfatkow    時間: 14-11-2009 16:23

英國人為何「大發善心」?要知道政策的改變,其實和當地的政治有直接的關係;英國在戰後有大量殖民地及前殖民地的居民湧入,最初是極歡迎的,因為殖民地軍團在兩次大戰都為英國作出了大量的貢獻;然而六十年代起,經 ...
前香港人 發表於 4-10-2009 14:45
Hi Buddy !! Thanks very much for your sharing. You're  the man !!!
作者: chowfatkow    時間: 14-11-2009 16:34

BNO已被丹麥、瑞典、冰島、挪威、芬蘭承認EEA Citizen,多條生路

再要更正....EEA 成員國都承認BNO Paasport 因他們無分 BC . BTDC, BN Passort 咁等贛居...

繼冰島及挪威兩個 EEA 成員國之後,第三個國家正式承認 ...
前香港人 發表於 4-10-2009 14:44
Hi Buddy,

Do not get a shit what other people said. You provided this wonderful good info. If they do not appreciate. Let them fuck their own ass. Thanks my friend !!!
作者: 前香港人    時間: 14-11-2009 16:59

本帖最後由 前香港人 於 14-11-2009 17:39 編輯
Hi Buddy,

Do not get a shit what other people said. You provided this wonderful good info. If they do not appreciate. Let them fuck their own ass. Thanks my friend !!!
chowfatkow 發表於 14-11-2009 16:34
Hi My friend.

May I call you <my friend>? Please help to post these information to where Chinese are living.

Maybe please join in to search for more latest status and successful cases. I am planing to escap from Hong Kong but the Hong Kong Communist Party agent has warned me not-to-go and theatherned me not to disclsoe such information to public otherwise...... will die soon. Let it be.

Why I am so progressively to serach such escape route, because I am being closely followed , theathened and disturbed by the communist party agents daily. Some of my relatives and friends found that their neighbour are communist using sniffing device to monitor their living. Just not to beleive it but save this information for years and then compare with my words.

Beleive it or not just up to you. Hong Kong is dying. Nobody beleive the communist party has spreaded over every corner, every trade. They have a same number of  underground screte police patrolling over Hong Kong every corners. Think carefully about that why after 1997, there were many government front line irregulatity case explosed because an undegrtound screte police agent force is working. The falling objects and chemcial solution are also done by them in order to force HK Government  to install CCTV. Do you know 300 taxi owned by the Mailand China Company in Hong Kong are installed with 5 number pin type CCTV (front, rear, left, right and inside). Latest case is the minus bus driver careless driving was posted to you tube.

Quite easily to observe such screte agent on the street. The partol guys are equiped with a bag, a water bottle, a cap, a sun glasses (with latest cloth transparence function about HK$1000) and the most important GPRS mobile phone. Most of them are coming from 勞工子弟學校 & 學友社 pre-communist units. Every freelance agent , e.g waitress, need to provide her mobile phone number for centralised control. They have a huge comupter system at the Western Point able to locate every mobile phone of their full time agent, par time agen and freelance agen like USA-CIA did. Once they locate the target  subject nearby, the screte agent at the control centre will phone that freelance agent to act. Sometimes just a theathening speech of conversation of graphical presentation.

Do you know what is the icon of Mainland China Company - Legend means. Its system works for the screte agent to theathen subject target through "LEGEND"  means associated thinking.  If some body mention about that, that guy will be treated as mental patient and their dirty practice may be covered up naturally. So far, you should know why China owns the largest number of Metal Hospitals on earth. It is is not becasue due to the population but its theathening practices.
作者: mcmannman    時間: 14-11-2009 17:04

十分感謝提供資料.
要快D儲錢走人....
作者: mememomo    時間: 14-11-2009 17:20

如果在港發展不如意,機會成本不高,又有信心去闖新天地,實在不妨到歐洲踫踫運氣。

移民得失不能單以金錢衡量。

人生到處誰非寄,此心安處是吾家。希望大家都能找到安身立命之所。




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